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Adobe Acrobat

Bill Fenlason
Does anyone have access to Adobe Acrobat?

I would like to know if the PDF versions of the NetRexx documents can be
effectively edited with Acrobat, or if all the cutting and pasting and
other changes have broken them.

Unfortunate as it may seem, Adobe pretty much has a lock on the creation
and maintenance of PDF documents.  While I think that the distribution
of the NetRexx documents in other forms such as tex, ps, odf etc., is
valuable and the right thing to do, it seems to me that if PDF documents
are going to be distributed it makes sense that they should be
maintained with Acrobat.

I understand that the original documents were in SGML, but I've seen no
information on how the PDFs were generated originally - perhaps with
Acrobat while Mike was still at IBM?

I don't have a copy of Acrobat myself, and I obviously don't use illegal
copies (there are certainly enough around as google "adobe acrobat
warez" shows).  The latest version is $450, but there are many copies of
the last version (pretty much the same) for <$100.  I'm considering
getting one, but I don't want to discover that it is useless for working
with the NetRexx documents.

Bill



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Re: Adobe Acrobat

Fernando Cassia-2

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Bill Fenlason <[hidden email]> wrote:
 I'm considering getting one, but I don't want to discover that it is useless for working with the NetRexx documents.

Bill

You can edit PDFs with Sun StarOffice 9. I bet you can still get a copy on eBay for $49 or less.

StarOffice was Sun's commercial offering of OpenOffice.org with the addition of closed-source components.

If memory serves me right, believe that the PDF editing feature was removed when the migration from OO.o to Apache OpenOffice took place. But I could be wrong.

FC

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Re: Adobe Acrobat

Fernando Cassia-2

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Fernando Cassia <[hidden email]> wrote:
You can edit PDFs with Sun StarOffice 9. I bet you can still get a copy on eBay for $49 or less.

here
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/StarOffice-9-for-PC-Mac-Linux-compatible-with-Microsoft-Office-/130815011725?pt=UK_Computing_Software_Software_SR&hash=item1e752eab8d

19 GBP = 28 USD
I bet that with shipping the figure gets closer to the $49 I anticipated.

FC


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Re: Adobe Acrobat

Tom Maynard
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I have Adobe Acrobat XI. What do I need to do for you?

(Forgive the top post, this was...)

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On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Bill Fenlason <[hidden email]> wrote:
 I'm considering getting one, but I don't want to discover that it is useless for working with the NetRexx documents.

Bill

You can edit PDFs with Sun StarOffice 9. I bet you can still get a copy on eBay for $49 or less.

StarOffice was Sun's commercial offering of OpenOffice.org with the addition of closed-source components.

If memory serves me right, believe that the PDF editing feature was removed when the migration from OO.o to Apache OpenOffice took place. But I could be wrong.

FC

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Re: Adobe Acrobat

Bill Fenlason
Hi Tom,

If you can open the Language Reference manual and the other manuals and let me know if it appears that they can be edited reasonably, and if it looks the same as if the documents were originally created with Acrobat. 

I assume that Acrobat does the proper formatting things, like generating the table of contents, keeping page references straight and all of those kinds of things.  I want to find out if the documents are in the proper format so that changing and maintaining them with Acrobat is the appropriate approach.

I tried sending the manual to some of those online conversion programs, and they do not appear to do a very good job. 

Fernando, I'm not so much concerned with the $ as I am with the compatibility issues.  If Acrobat generates it, it is pretty sure that it is in the "standard" format, since they set the standard. 

Bill

On 3/30/2013 4:51 PM, Tom Maynard wrote:
I have Adobe Acrobat XI. What do I need to do for you?

(Forgive the top post, this was...)

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On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Bill Fenlason <[hidden email]> wrote:
 I'm considering getting one, but I don't want to discover that it is useless for working with the NetRexx documents.

Bill

You can edit PDFs with Sun StarOffice 9. I bet you can still get a copy on eBay for $49 or less.

StarOffice was Sun's commercial offering of OpenOffice.org with the addition of closed-source components.

If memory serves me right, believe that the PDF editing feature was removed when the migration from OO.o to Apache OpenOffice took place. But I could be wrong.

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Re: Adobe Acrobat

George Hovey-2
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Bill,
I have Acrobat X Pro.  You should know that it is NOT intended for editing documents, even PDFs, though a certain amount of "touching up" is possible.  It can, however, produce excellent PDFs from documents prepared by MS Word, Open Office, from web pages (with varying degrees of success). It can produce a word doc from a PDF, but not brilliantly.  It does a wonderful job converting jEdit source listings.

Also, documents can be protected so that they cannot be modified and I encounter a small percentage of these.  I assume that would not be a problem with your usage.

Adobe's  Acrobat help is online; you might want to consult it before buying.

By the way, I experimentally added a bookmark panel to a PDF for which MFC held the copyright and sent him a copy.  He wasted no time in informing me that he authorized no such usage (a "derivative work" under copyright law, I think).

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Bill Fenlason <[hidden email]> wrote:
Does anyone have access to Adobe Acrobat?

I would like to know if the PDF versions of the NetRexx documents can be effectively edited with Acrobat, or if all the cutting and pasting and other changes have broken them.

Unfortunate as it may seem, Adobe pretty much has a lock on the creation and maintenance of PDF documents.  While I think that the distribution of the NetRexx documents in other forms such as tex, ps, odf etc., is valuable and the right thing to do, it seems to me that if PDF documents are going to be distributed it makes sense that they should be maintained with Acrobat.

I understand that the original documents were in SGML, but I've seen no information on how the PDFs were generated originally - perhaps with Acrobat while Mike was still at IBM?

I don't have a copy of Acrobat myself, and I obviously don't use illegal copies (there are certainly enough around as google "adobe acrobat warez" shows).  The latest version is $450, but there are many copies of the last version (pretty much the same) for <$100.  I'm considering getting one, but I don't want to discover that it is useless for working with the NetRexx documents.

Bill



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Re: Adobe Acrobat

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On 30/3/13 16:16, Bill Fenlason wrote:
open the Language Reference manual and the other manuals and let me know if it appears that they can be edited reasonably, and if it looks the same as if the documents were originally created with Acrobat. 

The procedure I adopted for this evaluation was: (A) open a given document in Sumatra PDF side-by-side with the identical document in Adobe Acrobat XI v11.0.2; (B) page through at least a reasonable subset of the document, comparing its appearance in each application, and (C) enable document editing (in Acrobat XI) to verify that it worked as expected.

I would have to say that the existing (i.e. v3.02 RC) documents were perfectly alike in both environments, and that Acrobat had no qualms about editing any of the text or links within them.  (Sumatra PDF is of course read-only, in use here as a much lighter weight reading tool, with faster startup, etc. ... my day-to-day reader.)


I want to find out if the documents are in the proper format so that changing and maintaining them with Acrobat is the appropriate approach.

They certainly seem to be in the proper format, but I'm less certain that maintaining them with Acrobat is the best solution.  René generates the PDF from the LaTeX source, and it's just as easy -- and considerably less expensive -- to churn out a new revision from source than to edit the resulting PDF in situ with Acrobat, not to mention the possibility of version skew introduced by having two "originals" ... but of course that would be dependent on the amount of revision necessary, and (I suppose) the time constraint.


I tried sending the manual to some of those online conversion programs, and they do not appear to do a very good job. 

You were trying to convert the PDF to some other format?  I've had extremely poor results with the half a dozen or more tools I've tried in the past, despite their claims of "excellence," so if this was your intent I'm not at all surprised.

I hope this has answered your question, but if not let me know what else I need to do.

Tom.


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Re: Adobe Acrobat

ThSITC
Hellon Tom Maynard, *you* my pre-name *brother*

Thank you so much for clarifying that, so quickly!

I still do *not* know whether *your* pre-name has been selected after *Thomas von Aquin* (namesday on 29th of December), *or* the *Apostel Thomas*, the Younger Brother of Jesus Christ Superstar, ANYWAY;

*MY* FORMER NAMESDAY HAS BEEN 21th of December, each year, since I have been born, bac k in 1946 a.D.  ...

... up to the time, when dear Pope Woytyla (the Polish Pope) has been warned by some of his advisors.
Years ago (Cardinals, of course, of the catholic church) that the *Earth* shall go down on 21th of December, 2012,
which it did obviously *not do* (according to the Maya Calendar) ...

... and do you know, what he did (Pope Paul II, when my memory does serve me right):

He did change *my namesday*, just in case, so that *no christian Apostel*, namely Thomas,  shall be related to this date, at all ... when and/if the earth shall go down, by instance
...

What she (*our COMMON Earth*) did *not do* on 21th December 2012, as this is noweaday already the *past*!

As we do have Easter, 2013, now, I hope I can tell you this *very true story*, not related to NetRexx, of course, at all!
But you all do know, by history, or at least my story, that I'm interested in *many things* ...

Happy Easter anyway, all ,...

Massa Thomas ;-) ;-) ;-)

*as already said here* , YEARs ago:

 *NOBODY* has the *right* to change *my own Names-Day*
Full stop.

PS: relating Netrexx, now again:

I'm just preparing now my releases on org.netrexx.thsitc.runtime.compatibility, and ...utils, as well.
When done, RexxForm shall folow as the next step, and Rexx2Nrx, the new version, as well ...

But as I am *only one human beeing*, as we all *are* (at least I do *hope so* ...
... it shall take some time ... You know! Lot of work,...

Will *not* bother you, again, with any non-Netrexx related messages (at least until next X-Mas! :-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

(on this group, and RexxLa, of course)!

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Am 30.03.2013 23:05, schrieb Tom Maynard:
On 30/3/13 16:16, Bill Fenlason wrote:
open the Language Reference manual and the other manuals and let me know if it appears that they can be edited reasonably, and if it looks the same as if the documents were originally created with Acrobat. 

The procedure I adopted for this evaluation was: (A) open a given document in Sumatra PDF side-by-side with the identical document in Adobe Acrobat XI v11.0.2; (B) page through at least a reasonable subset of the document, comparing its appearance in each application, and (C) enable document editing (in Acrobat XI) to verify that it worked as expected.

I would have to say that the existing (i.e. v3.02 RC) documents were perfectly alike in both environments, and that Acrobat had no qualms about editing any of the text or links within them.  (Sumatra PDF is of course read-only, in use here as a much lighter weight reading tool, with faster startup, etc. ... my day-to-day reader.)


I want to find out if the documents are in the proper format so that changing and maintaining them with Acrobat is the appropriate approach.

They certainly seem to be in the proper format, but I'm less certain that maintaining them with Acrobat is the best solution.  René generates the PDF from the LaTeX source, and it's just as easy -- and considerably less expensive -- to churn out a new revision from source than to edit the resulting PDF in situ with Acrobat, not to mention the possibility of version skew introduced by having two "originals" ... but of course that would be dependent on the amount of revision necessary, and (I suppose) the time constraint.


I tried sending the manual to some of those online conversion programs, and they do not appear to do a very good job. 

You were trying to convert the PDF to some other format?  I've had extremely poor results with the half a dozen or more tools I've tried in the past, despite their claims of "excellence," so if this was your intent I'm not at all surprised.

I hope this has answered your question, but if not let me know what else I need to do.

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Re: Adobe Acrobat

Bill Fenlason
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On 3/30/2013 6:04 PM, George Hovey wrote:

> Bill,
> I have Acrobat X Pro.  You should know that it is NOT intended for
> editing documents, even PDFs, though a certain amount of "touching up"
> is possible.  It can, however, produce excellent PDFs from documents
> prepared by MS Word, Open Office, from web pages (with varying degrees
> of success). It can produce a word doc from a PDF, but not
> brilliantly.  It does a wonderful job converting jEdit source listings.
>
> Also, documents can be protected so that they cannot be modified and I
> encounter a small percentage of these.  I assume that would not be a
> problem with your usage.
>
> Adobe's  Acrobat help is online; you might want to consult it before
> buying.
>

Thanks.  After checking out the Acrobat Help, I can see that I totally
misunderstood it and what it does.

> By the way, I experimentally added a bookmark panel to a PDF for which
> MFC held the copyright and sent him a copy.  He wasted no time in
> informing me that he authorized no such usage (a "derivative work"
> under copyright law, I think).

I wanted to add some annotations to the language reference and user
guide for my own private use, but I can see the start up cost for me
would be too great.  I seldom use Word or other document or web page
processors, and was looking for an easy way.  There is no "royal road",
so I'll stick with wordpad.

At one point I almost considered trying to add a Help facility to my
plugin by referencing pages in the Language Reference or converting it
to HTML or otherwise using text from it, but I knew MFC would frown on
that :).

Bill

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Re: Adobe Acrobat

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On 3/30/2013 6:05 PM, Tom Maynard wrote:
...
>
> I hope this has answered your question, but if not let me know what
> else I need to do.
>
> Tom.

Tom,

Your answers have been helpful - Clearly I didn't understand Acrobat or
what it does.

Bill

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ThSITC
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Hi Bill, again, *and all*:

Please do FORWARD *any annotations you think which shall be done* to
Rene (when he does agree, on this, my proposal here)

As the *author* of the Eclipse Plugin *I* do peronally *thinK* that any
and all of your annotations
sjhall be in the official NetRexx.PDF, as novices, and also more
advanced NetRexx users *shall be able*
*to learn* a *lot* by reading your annotations!

Again, of course, this is my *personal veiwpoint*, only!
When others do *disagree*: Simply say so, here, on this list! ..

Thomas.
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Am 31.03.2013 03:15, schrieb Bill Fenlason:

>
> On 3/30/2013 6:04 PM, George Hovey wrote:
>> Bill,
>> I have Acrobat X Pro.  You should know that it is NOT intended for
>> editing documents, even PDFs, though a certain amount of "touching
>> up" is possible.  It can, however, produce excellent PDFs from
>> documents prepared by MS Word, Open Office, from web pages (with
>> varying degrees of success). It can produce a word doc from a PDF,
>> but not brilliantly.  It does a wonderful job converting jEdit source
>> listings.
>>
>> Also, documents can be protected so that they cannot be modified and
>> I encounter a small percentage of these.  I assume that would not be
>> a problem with your usage.
>>
>> Adobe's  Acrobat help is online; you might want to consult it before
>> buying.
>>
>
> Thanks.  After checking out the Acrobat Help, I can see that I totally
> misunderstood it and what it does.
>
>> By the way, I experimentally added a bookmark panel to a PDF for
>> which MFC held the copyright and sent him a copy.  He wasted no time
>> in informing me that he authorized no such usage (a "derivative work"
>> under copyright law, I think).
>
> I wanted to add some annotations to the language reference and user
> guide for my own private use, but I can see the start up cost for me
> would be too great.  I seldom use Word or other document or web page
> processors, and was looking for an easy way.  There is no "royal
> road", so I'll stick with wordpad.
>
> At one point I almost considered trying to add a Help facility to my
> plugin by referencing pages in the Language Reference or converting it
> to HTML or otherwise using text from it, but I knew MFC would frown on
> that :).
>
> Bill
>
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Re: Adobe Acrobat

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On 30/3/13 20:15, Bill Fenlason wrote:
I wanted to add some annotations to the language reference and user guide for my own private use...There is no "royal road"

There is, of course: simply crank out an HTML version of the docs from the LaTeX source (LaTeX2HTML is the customary choice).  With enough requests for HTML documents, the end would definitely justify the means -- but I can spend René's time freely!  He would certainly have a voice in this.


At one point I almost considered trying to add a Help facility to my plugin by referencing pages in the Language Reference or converting it to HTML or otherwise using text from it, but I knew MFC would frown on that

IANAL, nor do I play one on TV, so I can't comment here beyond a bit of chin-scratching about the licensing status of the documentation (versus the program source which certainly is open).  Still, if you have been rebuffed before, then I won't insert myself in that argument.  "Fair use" is your best recourse.  Grab the LaTeX sources and have your way with them -- unless they are also off limits to the commoner.

Any lawyers listening in?


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On 30/3/13 20:16, Bill Fenlason wrote:
Your answers have been helpful - Clearly I didn't understand Acrobat or what it does.

Maybe I don't understand Acrobat, either ... but it's certainly the tool of choice for manipulating PDFs.  From the Adobe website:



I'm not sure how much more explicit that could be: Create, edit, convert, protect, yada-yada.  If not Acrobat, then what?

Adobe's prices for their tools is already difficult to justify, but if Acrobat is not the premier PDF tool then that makes the cost laughably ludicrous.

Still, no matter: the NetRexx documents are completely compatible in every way that matters, including identity across 2-3 platforms with 3-4 different display/edit tools, and that was the question you were asking.


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George Hovey-2
Bill,

PDF means Portable Data Format, i.e. it is an exchange format for communicating content.  This is accomplished through its free 'Reader' which is available in flavors for any popular OS.  It is not intended to produce content itself, but instead operates on the output from well known word processing programs (and well known formats like html).  It has certain editing capabilities (more are added with each version) but is in no way comparable to a word processor.  [The Wikipedia entry for Acrobat XI says it has totally revamped its editing facilities; you might want to find out just what that means, but I suspect it's less than you hope.]

Adobe's website will tell you what input formats it recognizes, but they definitely include MS word and Open Office.  You need to prepare your content with a compatible word processor.  Practically speaking though, I expect you will have to work with the source documents and tool chain that Rene is using, because otherwise you probably have no practical means of recovering usable source from the PDF (Acrobat will make a stab, but it wont necessarily be much good).  If you're lucky, Acrobat will handle Latex directly.

Tom,

Acrobat is absolutely the premier PDF tool, because it defines PDF.  As to its price, it is packed with features valued by the business world.

But as explained above it does not create content.  Bill, if I understand correctly, wants to modify PDFs and for this he must have the source that produced them.  The mere fact that some putative PDF reader produces the same display as Acrobat Reader doesn't help with that issue at all.  And no third party tool can possibly write PDFs to current standard because Adobe does not release the specification (they have open sourced some older versions).

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Tom Maynard <[hidden email]> wrote:
On 30/3/13 20:16, Bill Fenlason wrote:
Your answers have been helpful - Clearly I didn't understand Acrobat or what it does.

Maybe I don't understand Acrobat, either ... but it's certainly the tool of choice for manipulating PDFs.  From the Adobe website:



I'm not sure how much more explicit that could be: Create, edit, convert, protect, yada-yada.  If not Acrobat, then what?

Adobe's prices for their tools is already difficult to justify, but if Acrobat is not the premier PDF tool then that makes the cost laughably ludicrous.

Still, no matter: the NetRexx documents are completely compatible in every way that matters, including identity across 2-3 platforms with 3-4 different display/edit tools, and that was the question you were asking.


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Re: Adobe Acrobat

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> I understand that the original documents were in SGML, but
> I've seen no information on how the PDFs were generated
> originally - perhaps with Acrobat while Mike was still at IBM?

The original documents (from which the NRL book and supplement were generated)
were in GML, originally processed using SCRIPT/DCF on VM/CMS.  I merged those
documents (still in GML) to make the NetRexx2 document.

I have a set of Rexx programs which converts those old GML formats to the Open
Office (.odt) format, which is readily editable and can generate PDF directly
(as well as resolving cross references, indexing, etc.).  This (.odt) is the
format that was given to RexxLA as NetRexx3.

It isn't possible to make other than small changes/fixes to PDF documents
because as soon as you add or delete a page all the page numbers thereafter will
be wrong.  However I see from a later post that you just want to make
annotations; Acrobat does a good job of those (including multiple authors, etc.,
I think) but again it's probably easier to use the .odt format.

Mike

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Tom Maynard
On 31/3/13 2:17, Mike Cowlishaw wrote:
>  
> The original documents...were in GML, originally processed using SCRIPT/DCF on VM/CMS.  I merged those documents (still in GML) to make the NetRexx2 document.
>
> I have a set of Rexx programs which converts those old GML formats to the Open
> Office (.odt) format, which is readily editable and can generate PDF directly

Thank you, Mike, for clearing this up.  I did go and look at the
document sources and found the ODT files you mention.  My (flawed)
understanding was that the originals (i.e. the RexxLA copies) were
LaTeX.  That's obviously not the case ... and you've said before that
the true originals were done with SCRIPT/DCF.  My old brain isn't
working as it used to, eh? <sigh>

I did grab a copy of nrl3.odt from netrexx.org, and while "readily
editable" (with Vim) I'm no so sure that "easily understood" also
applies.  Some of it is readable, but most of it is gobbledygook, not
amenable even to hex editing (but I admit to a lack of the ODT format
internals).  Unless you meant editable by OpenOffice....

Modifying those sources it out of my reach, but only because I'm
unwilling to install yet another Office product here.  I have to sit on
my laptop as it is in order to get it closed of late.

Tom.

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Re: Adobe Acrobat

Mike Cowlishaw
 

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tom Maynard
> Sent: 31 March 2013 08:49
> To: IBM Netrexx
> Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Adobe Acrobat
>
> On 31/3/13 2:17, Mike Cowlishaw wrote:
> >  
> > The original documents...were in GML, originally processed
> using SCRIPT/DCF on VM/CMS.  I merged those documents (still
> in GML) to make the NetRexx2 document.
> >
> > I have a set of Rexx programs which converts those old GML
> formats to
> > the Open Office (.odt) format, which is readily editable and can
> > generate PDF directly
>
> Thank you, Mike, for clearing this up.  I did go and look at
> the document sources and found the ODT files you mention.  My
> (flawed) understanding was that the originals (i.e. the
> RexxLA copies) were LaTeX.  That's obviously not the case ...
> and you've said before that the true originals were done with
> SCRIPT/DCF.  My old brain isn't working as it used to, eh? <sigh>
>
> I did grab a copy of nrl3.odt from netrexx.org, and while
> "readily editable" (with Vim) I'm no so sure that "easily
> understood" also applies.  Some of it is readable, but most
> of it is gobbledygook, not amenable even to hex editing (but
> I admit to a lack of the ODT format internals).  Unless you
> meant editable by OpenOffice....
>
> Modifying those sources it out of my reach, but only because
> I'm unwilling to install yet another Office product here.  I
> have to sit on my laptop as it is in order to get it closed of late.
>
> Tom.
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Re: Adobe Acrobat

Mike Cowlishaw
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> I did grab a copy of nrl3.odt from netrexx.org, and while
> "readily editable" (with Vim) I'm no so sure that "easily
> understood" also applies.  Some of it is readable, but most
> of it is gobbledygook, not amenable even to hex editing (but
> I admit to a lack of the ODT format internals).  Unless you
> meant editable by OpenOffice....

I did mean editable by OpenOffice as that's the recommended way (especially if
you want to generate a PDF at the end).  However, if you want to 'hand edit' it,
an odt file is in fact a zip file; unzip it into an empty directory and you
should end up with files & directories like this:

 mimetype
 Configurations2/statusbar/
 Configurations2/accelerator/current.xml
 Configurations2/floater/
 Configurations2/popupmenu/
 Configurations2/progressbar/
 Configurations2/menubar/
 Configurations2/toolbar/
 Configurations2/images/Bitmaps/
 layout-cache
 content.xml
 styles.xml
 meta.xml
 Thumbnails/thumbnail.png
 settings.xml
 META-INF/manifest.xml

of which content.xml is the one of interest, probably.  It's a plain text XML
file.  An odt document is really just a long list of paragraphs each of which
has a given style.

Mike

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Re: Adobe Acrobat

Bill Fenlason
Thanks for breaking the code.  I've downloaded Open Office (and Libre
Office), and I see that it is pretty easy to add comments to the
document.  I'll take that approach.

I tried exporting the nrl odf document to a PDF (in open office) and it
seemed to either take forever or hang.  Is that normal?

Anyway, thanks to all for the help.

Bill

PS - I note that in the NetRexx repository the Language Reference is in
odf format but both the guides are in tex?

On 3/31/2013 4:19 AM, Mike Cowlishaw wrote:

>    
>> I did grab a copy of nrl3.odt from netrexx.org, and while
>> "readily editable" (with Vim) I'm no so sure that "easily
>> understood" also applies.  Some of it is readable, but most
>> of it is gobbledygook, not amenable even to hex editing (but
>> I admit to a lack of the ODT format internals).  Unless you
>> meant editable by OpenOffice....
> I did mean editable by OpenOffice as that's the recommended way (especially if
> you want to generate a PDF at the end).  However, if you want to 'hand edit' it,
> an odt file is in fact a zip file; unzip it into an empty directory and you
> should end up with files & directories like this:
>
>   mimetype
>   Configurations2/statusbar/
>   Configurations2/accelerator/current.xml
>   Configurations2/floater/
>   Configurations2/popupmenu/
>   Configurations2/progressbar/
>   Configurations2/menubar/
>   Configurations2/toolbar/
>   Configurations2/images/Bitmaps/
>   layout-cache
>   content.xml
>   styles.xml
>   meta.xml
>   Thumbnails/thumbnail.png
>   settings.xml
>   META-INF/manifest.xml
>
> of which content.xml is the one of interest, probably.  It's a plain text XML
> file.  An odt document is really just a long list of paragraphs each of which
> has a given style.
>
> Mike
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Re: Adobe Acrobat

ThSITC
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Hi Mike,
    thanks for this educational e-mail, again!

By the way, is there *anything* in Computer Science you do *not* know,
or following up ?

Have a nice trip, the next weeks, Mike!
Thomas.
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Am 31.03.2013 10:19, schrieb Mike Cowlishaw:

>    
>> I did grab a copy of nrl3.odt from netrexx.org, and while
>> "readily editable" (with Vim) I'm no so sure that "easily
>> understood" also applies.  Some of it is readable, but most
>> of it is gobbledygook, not amenable even to hex editing (but
>> I admit to a lack of the ODT format internals).  Unless you
>> meant editable by OpenOffice....
> I did mean editable by OpenOffice as that's the recommended way (especially if
> you want to generate a PDF at the end).  However, if you want to 'hand edit' it,
> an odt file is in fact a zip file; unzip it into an empty directory and you
> should end up with files & directories like this:
>
>   mimetype
>   Configurations2/statusbar/
>   Configurations2/accelerator/current.xml
>   Configurations2/floater/
>   Configurations2/popupmenu/
>   Configurations2/progressbar/
>   Configurations2/menubar/
>   Configurations2/toolbar/
>   Configurations2/images/Bitmaps/
>   layout-cache
>   content.xml
>   styles.xml
>   meta.xml
>   Thumbnails/thumbnail.png
>   settings.xml
>   META-INF/manifest.xml
>
> of which content.xml is the one of interest, probably.  It's a plain text XML
> file.  An odt document is really just a long list of paragraphs each of which
> has a given style.
>
> Mike
>
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